Wednesday, November 17, 2010 101 Comments

The Lightworker wants to touch your junk

Here at UR, we don't take a lot of interest in elections. Washington is what it is. Does Thai whorehouse gonorrhea respond to penicillin? Washington has spent the last 75 years making itself immune to politics. It would be disrespectful to suggest that it hasn't had some success in the matter. That said, you might get lucky. Or you might get a strain that eats the penicillin.

Most Americans do not read UR. They do believe in their caring, fatherly government. It no doubt strikes them as curious that, after eight years of Bush von Cheney, they voted for hope and change, and got... their balls stroked? Which could be one of these strange Potomac coincidences. But as the Lightworker's administration began to hit its stride, they also found themselves with indefinite military detention and a return to the war on encryption.

The last rings a bell. When was the last time Washington tried to ban encryption? Oh, that's right - the Clinton administration. Isn't that peculiar? If any American was asked which is the party of national security, and which the party of civil liberties, he would have no trouble identifying the Republican and Democratic parties respectively. So why is it that, concerned about his civil liberties, he elects Democrats - and gets his underwear invaded?

The NPR progressive and the Rupert Murdoch neoconservative, neither of whom is anywhere near in touch with historical reality, are both in equal parts mystified and reassured by this development. Actually, it's not at all complex or surprising, and can be explained easily in an unusually short UR post.

The progressive wonders what he has to do, next time, to elect a real progressive. If Barack Obama isn't one, who is? Who can we trust? He blew all the right dog whistles. Sam Webb even called him "a friend." So why all the hippie punching? Why are our fascist stormtroopers still terrorizing the innocent peasants of Afghanistan? Etc, etc?

But deep inside, he is reassured. It has simply become clear that the corporate fascist conspiracy is larger and more dangerous than he knew. The Reich-wing is so powerful that it can corrupt even a mighty Lightworker. The world - harder to change than we knew. Meanwhile, the silver lining in this cloud: the lies of Fox News are definitively falsified. Our President is no socialist. Would a socialist be grabbing our dicks for national security?

The conservative is not surprised at all. He knows exactly what a socialist is: a Nazi. Nazis, as we all know, say "your papers, please." Is it surprising that B.H. Obama would want to touch your junk? Not when he's a socialist. "Ein volk, ein Fuhrer, ein junk."

Where is the truth? Is Obama a socialist, or isn't he? On the one hand, we observe that if the young Barack Obama has no socialist past, he has no past at all. It would simply be impossible to find an American politician more thoroughly bred in the New Left tradition. Does Obama have progressive associations? Does he have any associations which aren't progressive? And indeed, this is how he was marketed: as a man without a past, an immaculate conception, sprung like Athena from the head of NPR. There is nothing new in any of this. If you haven't heard a progressive deny that there is any such thing as progressivism, you've never talked to one.

But at the same time, we may ask: was Brezhnev a socialist? Comrade Brezhnev, since you ask, was a lifelong member of the 20th century's most prominent and powerful revolutionary socialist party, whose bold international leadership he obtained. On the other hand he was a crotchety old white man, whose business cards said "Dictator," who wanted to ban blue jeans and rock music, who wanted those damned kids to get off his lawn. In the end, what was the difference between Comrade Brezhnev and the old Boer securocrats of Pretoria? Neither of them was cool. Neither had any compunctions about genital searches.

Over a century ago, Lecky found the core of liberalism in his portrait of Gladstone:
Passion and casuistry seem naturally incompatible, but in Gladstone they were most curiously combined.
The perfect leftist is the fanatical hypocrite. While his beliefs correspond precisely to his own advantage, he believes in them furiously just the same. His opportunism does not even slightly detract from his sincerity, which is palpable and enormous. Indeed, if the situation changes and so do his interests, his mind will change as well. And change sincerely.

Alas, this character is easier to describe than find. In the day of Gladstone, liberalism was young and crazy and full of juice. Today? The movement exudes the overwhelming odor of fatigue. It remains both fanatical and hypocritical - but not in one person. Its fanatics, who could be broadly described as the amateur left, are devoid of any tactical cunning. And its hypocrites, who despite Robert Gibbs constitute the professional left, are as passionless as an eggplant.

They try to care. They moan, they gasp, they writhe. But their eyes are dead, whore eyes. Now that we've seen it in the White House, we'd know it anywhere. You have to be an awfully blind fanatic not to see what you're looking at. Can the amateur left, the audience, the chumps who buy the magazines, find a professional leftist who actually cares about his ideals? They'll need a much brighter lantern than it took to find B.H. Obama.

In 2010, there is nothing fresh about the revolution industry. The idealistic professional leftist is the exact counterpart of the romantic porn star - a human impossibility. A porn star is a prostitute. It's simply impossible for a prostitute to feel, or even simulate, normal sexual passion. If any ordinary, amateur leftist were somehow transported into the White House, "enhanced patdowns" and Afghan wars would end tomorrow. But once a pro, always a pro. And who gets elected, but a pro?

As the professional knows, it's all about power. Indeed he is entirely consumed by power. And once Obama - or rather, the Obama machine, an animal with one head and a hundred bodies - gets into the Oval Office, this is by no means an end to political desire. If he can be elected again, he needs votes. If he can't be, he still needs popularity, because popularity is power. Doubtless, inside, he justifies this by some narrative of the greater good. Doubtless the porn star, too, thinks there is something somehow romantic about her career. We all have illusions.

Once our professional leftist is in the White House, his strategy is absolutely clear. Why should he pander to the left? He can count on the left. He has no worries to his left. He cannot win the right, probably not. But you never know. And there is still a large vote block in the center. It's absolutely amazing how many white proles still vote for the Democrats.

Moreover, the Presidency is not at all without power, and power creates responsibility - even in the most cynical. Presented with a daily intelligence brief from the military-industrial complex, even the most idealistic Honolulu stoner will start to take it seriously. If an underwear bomber blows up a plane because nobody touched his junk, and that's the President's fault, the President will feel bad. It won't help his polls, either.

Of course, airport strip-searches will alarm the amateur left. These people vote, too - they are about 20% of the electorate, and more with every inane state-college degree. But who are they going to vote for? Republicans? Moreover, being leftists, they take their cues from the professional left, a vast industry devoted to telling them what to fear and why.

But the professional left, being inherently opportunistic (or as they might put it, "pragmatic") is simply not going to fire the fear machine up against a leftist President. The professional left does not consist of people who are concerned about securing civil liberties - or any other altruistic good. The professional left consists of people who are concerned about securing power. To that end, they will complain about anything, if a Republican is in the White House.

And this is why insane, hilarious violations of liberty, like fondling your balls or telling you what algorithms you can compute, are much more likely to emerge from a Democratic administration. It's not that the election changes the staff at TSA or FBI, except for a thin veneer of political appointees. American democracy has long since given up on the dangerous notion that voters can be trusted to replace their government through the electoral process. TSA is TSA, FBI is FBI; they think what they think; they want to feel you up and pwn your computer.

Thus, in every administration, the agencies are the same agencies and will agitate for the same policies. An agency like TSA is reactive; its goal is not to prevent terrorist attacks, but to prevent terrorist attacks for which it can be blamed; if a terrorist puts a bomb in his shoe, TSA will make you take your shoes off; lacking Richard Reid, TSA would never think of it first. And the same, of course, goes for crotch bombs. Similarly, if you ask FBI if unbreakable encryption should be illegal, of course they will tell you: it should be illegal. Whoever is in the White House.

What the political veneer can do, however, is stop things. The White House cannot make an agency anything it is not, or make it do anything it doesn't want to do. It does not have personnel, budgetary, or even policy control over the "executive branch." But it has a veto.

Thus, when some basically fascist proposal rises to the political layer in the Bush administration, some politically aware person says: we can't fondle or inspect every traveler's balls. We can't force every computer user to send us their encryption keys. Why not? Because first of all it's wrong - a Republican is not a fascist. And second, because everyone who reads the New Yorker is already convinced that Hitler is in the building. Should we send them a Christmas card and tell them they're right? And thus it was that, after the brief adrenaline rage of late 2001, the fascist Bush regime spent the next 7 years walking back everything dodgy it did in those months.

With a professional leftist in the White House, this layer of calculated compunction simply does not exist. Indeed, it may even be replaced by a layer of temptation - the professional is tempted to (a) win votes and (b) cover his trail, both of which hippie-punching may achieve. Besides, he doesn't want a bomb to go off, which could be absolutely horrible for his polls. He doesn't want to lose a war - ditto. And thus he becomes a convert to the virtues of the national security state. BHO was a member of the New Party; LBJ was a director of FDR's National Youth Administration. Both came around to the fierce moral urgency of bombing furriners.

Moreover, a Rethuglican in the White House will actually believe in security. Therefore, he may actually take some steps calculated to produce, not the impression of security, but actual security. For instance, instead of feeling everyone's balls, he may bomb Yemen - or at least, cut their funding. An unlikely consequence, which if it happens could only happen as a result of mere human common sense. The professional leftist, who hasn't been human since the age of 13, is obsessed with security theater but not terribly interested in security. As his thumb glides down your crack, he lifts your credit card and sends more money to Yemen.

Thus, we observe a rare case in which it actually matters who you vote for. If you are concerned that your civil liberties might be violated (except for the assault on encryption, which is outrageous and will never succeed, none of this stuff bothers me personally all that much), it's essential to vote for the candidate with the least regard for civil liberties, ie, the Republican. That bottle marked Penicillin might as well say Gonorrhea Chow. Similarly, it's not at all a coincidence that the most successful right-wing policies of our time - such as welfare reform - have been enacted under Democratic administrations.

So who should you vote for? You shouldn't vote, of course. Whatever you think you're doing when you vote, you're just endorsing the whole insane system. If you must vote, however, please vote for Democrats. I endorsed Obama in 2008; I have no regrets at all. The system will go to hell in a handbasket that much faster. The sooner we get to hell, the less preheated the ovens.

And since there is no extant American governing tradition besides progressivism, to reject progressivism is to reject Washington. How can anyone reject progressivism, when it is apparently out of power or even genuinely so? We need progressives in the Presidency, now and forever, while both movement and office exist. As for our balls, they'll just have to toughen up.

101 Comments:

Anonymous vanderleun said...

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November 17, 2010 at 11:32 PM  
OpenID foseti said...

I work for a large federal agency (that has been very busy since 2007).

After the 2008 elections, all my wife's progressive friends kept saying things like, "wow, your job must have really changed after the election."

When I said that actually nothing had changed, I might as well have been speaking Chinese. They simply couldn't comprehend that the job of an average bureaucrat wouldn't have changed at all with the election of Obama.

Also, Jeffery Goldberg has a lot of (not funny) names for his balls.

November 18, 2010 at 5:34 AM  
Blogger Thrasymachus said...

Bush represented the right edge of the establishment consensus; Obama the left. So going from Bush to Obama you see the most radical, extreme change in policy possible. Oh, wait, there was barely any change at all.....

Who should have absolute power? *I* should have absolute power. I wouldn't shoot anybody who didn't need shooting, but if I did, I would feel bad about it. I wouldn't apologize, but I'd feel bad about it.

November 18, 2010 at 7:48 AM  
Anonymous fiddlemath said...

The assault on encryption is outrageous, but I don't see why you would assert that it will never succeed. Unlike in the Clinton era, the messaging systems people think should be private are largely central-server systems. People just assume that email is private. I don't see who with political pull would fight the death of peer-to-peer encryption, and I don't know what central-service providers would fight such back doors.

This may be paranoia-motivated thinking, though. Can anyone convincingly talk me down?

November 18, 2010 at 8:31 AM  
Anonymous B said...

Dawg, ya gots me all confused up in this bitch. I thought that the reason we were supposed to vote left if we had to vote was that the inexorable slide to the left slowed down and almost stopped when they got into power, and vice versa with the right. Now, you're telling me it's the opposite? 'sup wit dat, dawg?

November 18, 2010 at 9:18 AM  
Anonymous RS said...

Holy smokes dude, I have to admit you've got style.

November 18, 2010 at 1:44 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"They simply couldn't comprehend that the job of an average bureaucrat wouldn't have changed at all with the election of Obama."

Exactly. I told my friends in December 2008 that 99.99% of the people who would work for the USG in February 2009 already worked for the USG, so to expect real change was absurd.

November 18, 2010 at 3:28 PM  
Anonymous John Venlet said...

Jumped over from the sleep west, first visit. I'll be back, if only to mine your writing for honeyed phrases such as "calculated compunction."

Thanks.

November 18, 2010 at 3:45 PM  
Anonymous jkr said...

George Soros bankrolls top Palin advisor and neocon lobbyist...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/12/randy-scheunemann-sarah-palin-george-soros_n_782628.html

"Someone call Glenn Beck's red phone!

The conservative commentator's current arch-nemesis, liberal financier George Soros, is cutting paychecks to a top aide of one of Beck's greatest allies, former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randy_Scheunemann

"Randall J Scheunemann is an American lobbyist. He is the President of the Committee for the Liberation of Iraq, which was created by the Project for the New American Century (PNAC), of which he is a board member. He was Trent Lott's National Security Aide and was an advisor to Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld on Iraq. He is a paid lobbyist for the country of Georgia and was 2008 Presidential candidate John McCain's foreign-policy aide. He lives in Castle Fairfax, Virginia."

Color me unsurprised. How might this be fit into the Moldbug framework? Serious question.

November 18, 2010 at 7:02 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There's one factual error in this post of the sort that, once it is found and pounced on, will cause the usual suspects to gnaw it to death.

It's not the sort of factual error that actually undermines the post, but it's the kind that will be used to pooh-pooh it.

Never ignore a pooh-poohing.

November 18, 2010 at 7:40 PM  
Anonymous Paul Milenkovic said...

So is this, like, glider-pilot technique, where if you are caught in a downdraft you push the stick forward?

Pulling back on the stick in a futile effort to climb will only slow you down to spend more time in the downdraft? Pushing the stick forward to dive will boost your speed and is the only hope of flying out of the downdraft to safety?

So if all this is true, how did we end up with Health Care Reform, you know, that if government is ever involved to this degree in health care, the government "owns" health care, and health care becomes a permanent political issue -- how many beds, how many MRI machines, how long the wait times for non-emergency surgical procedures, and so on.

Was pushing the stick forward ever going to get us out of that downdraft?

November 18, 2010 at 8:45 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"How might this be fit into the Moldbug framework?"

People like that are always looking to invest in a few buyable Outer-Party non-entities to give their efforts a veneer of bipartisan consensus respectability that only extremist cranks and Conspiro-Cons would find objectionable.

See also BHO's own School Reform Projects in Chicago, entirely Progressive in substance but with a sprinkling of decorative conservatives on a few boards and whatnot so that anyone who calls a spade a spade can be read out of respectable society as some sort of nutter.

November 18, 2010 at 8:47 PM  
Blogger TGGP said...

Off-topic, but Yglesias pointed to this paper on monarchy vs revolutionary republics that may provoke some thought. While you're pondering that take on regime type & gender politics, check out Razib on Federalist vs Democratic-Republican views on race & class.

The Republicans claim the "national security" brand but Dems don't seem to really claim civil liberties ("civil rights" is another story) much more than national security. In 2000 Bush actually tried to play up the civil liberties angle a bit. Civil libertarians/anti-war types are to the Dems something like what libertarians are to the GOP.

"Thus, when some basically fascist proposal rises to the political layer in the Bush administration, some politically aware person says: we can't fondle or inspect every traveler's balls."
Some people who worked in the Bush admin have written memoirs about it, but from what I recall most of those who attempted to block anything failed. An exception is when John Ashcroft was in the hospital and Gonzalez tried to get him to sign off on something he had previously endorsed but later concluded was unconstitutional.

Obama has bombed Yemen. There are apparently orders to kill Anwar Awlaki if he is found as well. Like Saudi Arabia it's officially an ally, so he's not bombing the government of Yemen.

"LBJ was a director of FDR's National Youth Administration. Both came around to the fierce moral urgency of bombing furriners."
Is support for FDR supposed to be evidence against wanting to bomb furriners? There's no "come around" there!

November 18, 2010 at 9:55 PM  
Blogger TGGP said...

I was recently reading at The Last Ditch and came across many references to Nicholas Strakon's "Dark Suits and Red Guards" theory, which is nowhere to be found online. But it sounds something like what Mencius is getting at here.

George Soros actually supported a lot of anti-communist movements in eastern europe. So he's not as removed from the neoconservative viewpoint as you might think (though I suppose he favors street mobs aka "people-power" rather than the U.S airforce as means to similar ends).

Jews who are down on Israel are either Satmar or lefties, but that doesn't mean lefty Jews aren't pro-Israel. Alan Dershowitz, Marty Peretz (and the New Republic by extension), the ADL, Haim Saban (largest single donor to the DNC last I heard) and pretty much everyone in Congress are quite outspokenly pro-Israel.

November 18, 2010 at 10:09 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Obama is the kind of "socialist" who surrounds himself with, and takes the advice of, the cream of Wall Street, former honchos from Citibank and Goldman-Sachs, who showers the same Wall Street firms with billions of dollars of public money.

This must be socialism of a strange variety that is completely indistinguishable from the state-capitalism that has always been in power.

In short, you are an idiot.

November 18, 2010 at 11:01 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It took less than 10 posts for jkr to start babbling about da evil JOOZ, yaay!

MM should disable comments.

November 18, 2010 at 11:47 PM  
Anonymous P.M.Lawrence said...

"Indeed, if the situation changes and so do his interests, his mind will change as well. And change sincerely."

As Ashleigh Brilliant remarked, "My opinions may have changed, but not the fact that I'm right".

November 19, 2010 at 12:17 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

jkr wasn't talking about Jews specifically. What is pretty Jewish is your call to shut down comments to quash dissent and criticism.

November 19, 2010 at 2:11 AM  
Blogger Vladimir said...

Indeed, you've captured it perfectly. No true socialist ever gets elected; Obama officially stopped being a progressive as soon as he won.

It's the same in the UK. The amateur left campaign for the people they are certain are progressive, but when those people reach power, it turns out they were far-right Thatcherite fascists all along. But what are the left going to do about it? Not vote Labour again? The most that will happen is more votes for the Green Party, who (if elected) will no doubt turn out to be far-right as well.

November 19, 2010 at 4:20 AM  
Blogger G. M. Palmer said...

Seriously, JDL Anon? Sheesh. Fight actual anti-semitism.

@Paul:

No, MM wants us to crash, thereby needing to rebuild from the ground up, preferably via his blueprint.

November 19, 2010 at 4:36 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I guessed it would be TGGP who would find the factual error. I should have posted my guess but I wanted to see it play out.

The Anon who concludes that MM is an idiot because The One surrounds himself with Bankers is the sort of person who actually does believe BHO sprang like Athena, fully formed, without a past or beliefs, sometime around 2004 or maybe just before.

The Anon who thinks Progressives can't hang out with financial speculators et al hasn't been reading not only this blog, but much of history (except, I suspect, of the carefully-crafted variety that is spoon fed to the commoners to keep them inflamed about the right things and quiecent about everything else).

Speaking as somone who actually had a Soc class taught by one of the Professors who founded the New Party and is quite the professional leftist, nothing about BHO really ever surprises me.

November 19, 2010 at 6:52 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"No, MM wants us to crash,"

MM EXPECTS us to crash (the difference is critical), and hopes against hope that it will be sooner rather than later because then the damage will be less deep, and he hopes we will rebuild according to his blueprint. But there are lots of others, most of them bad.

Back to "MM is an idiot" - the New Party Prof, if I had to describe him in one phrase, it would be "cynical idealist."

I think that describes BHO and the entire "Professional Left" - the core of the movement.

He (the Prof) was very open about his views. Also very cynical. And ultimately for him everything boiled down to power, and who had it.

This leads to the conclusion that there is no sacrifice too great in the name of those ideals to obtain power, include the ideals themselves as required. This includes whatever amount of cynical manipulations required, and insincere alliances with people you plan on demolishing later.

It also involves expedient betrayals of the very ideals, which they figure are necessary along the way of advancing those self-same ideals via gradualism.

C'mon now, Anon - as a semi-educated person who probably has at least one degree, I have no doubt you had at least one, if not several, professors for whom everything boiled down to power relationships and who obviously felt that appeal to scruples were only tools The Man used to keep The People down, and that this false conciousness could not blind true revolutionaries on their way to gaining power.

November 19, 2010 at 7:20 AM  
Blogger G. M. Palmer said...

Expectanon,

The expecting is true irrespective of your perspective--nothing lasts forever.

MM wants us to crash near the height of his influence (which has become in the last 12 months palpable--or at least everyone is riding the same wave--which is perhaps unlikely) so that his engineer can rebuild teh worldz.

November 19, 2010 at 7:30 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"jkr wasn't talking about Jews specifically."

LOL, yeah he was talking non-specifically about the non-Jew Soros and the non-Jew Scheunemann and the non-Jewish PNAC, which is not at all an instrument of Weltjudentum in his mind.

"What is pretty Jewish is your call to shut down comments to quash dissent and criticism."

This Aryan thinks der Jude Moldbug should shut down the comments because they are stupid and boring not because they are anti-Jewish. jkr, get your own blog to relieve the nagging, aching pressure of your intense Jew-obsession.

November 19, 2010 at 8:49 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This Aryan thinks der Jude Moldbug should shut down the comments because they are stupid and boring not because they are anti-Jewish. jkr, get your own blog to relieve the nagging, aching pressure of your intense Jew-obsession.

It doesn't matter if you're "Aryan" or if you called for the shut down of the comments for another reason. It's a Jew thing to do. jkr has contributed far more here than most. See the previous thread and the back and forth between zanon on MMT for an example.

November 19, 2010 at 11:00 AM  
Anonymous Jack Burton said...

Many of you will enjoy this, I think:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/modern-art-was-a-cia-weapon-1578808.html


"For decades in art circles it was either a rumour or a joke, but now it is confirmed as a fact. The Central Intelligence Agency used American modern art - including the works of such artists as Jackson Pollock, Robert Motherwell, Willem de Kooning and Mark Rothko - as a weapon in the Cold War. In the manner of a Renaissance prince - except that it acted secretly - the CIA fostered and promoted American Abstract Expressionist painting around the world for more than 20 years.
...
The connection is not quite as odd as it might appear. At this time the new agency, staffed mainly by Yale and Harvard graduates, many of whom collected art and wrote novels in their spare time, was a haven of liberalism when compared with a political world dominated by McCarthy or with J Edgar Hoover's FBI. If any official institution was in a position to celebrate the collection of Leninists, Trotskyites and heavy drinkers that made up the New York School, it was the CIA.
...
Would Abstract Expressionism have been the dominant art movement of the post-war years without this patronage? The answer is probably yes. Equally, it would be wrong to suggest that when you look at an Abstract Expressionist painting you are being duped by the CIA. "

November 19, 2010 at 11:32 AM  
Anonymous young reactionary said...

@ TGGP:

"George Soros actually supported a lot of anti-communist movements in eastern europe."


If you think about it, progressives were the ones with the most to gain by "defeating" communism in Europe.

November 19, 2010 at 12:57 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It doesn't matter if you're "Aryan" or if you called for the shut down of the comments for another reason. It's a Jew thing to do.

Fucking idiotic comments like this make my point for me! I say comments should be disabled due to their dreadfully low quality, and you boneheads come back with "shut up, Jew", ROFLMAO!

jkr has contributed far more here than most.

Haw, far more in quantity, maybe, but all of it of an abysmal quality.

November 19, 2010 at 1:40 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fucking idiotic comments like this make my point for me! I say comments should be disabled due to their dreadfully low quality, and you boneheads come back with "shut up, Jew", ROFLMAO!

What's "fucking idiotic" is your interpretation of that comment.

Haw, far more in quantity, maybe, but all of it of an abysmal quality.

Actually most of it has been high quality.

November 19, 2010 at 2:45 PM  
Blogger TGGP said...

jkr should indeed get his own blog. It's not like they cost money these days. If you comment frequently, you should have one and then move discussions or long posts there. I will say this for jrk: his english is better than zanon's. Since "MMT" is starting to rival Austrianism as the favorite econ paradigm of internet cranks I would be interested in MM discussing it. He'll have to provide more than just "the status quo sucks" (relying on the past won't do either since Austrians were never actually dominant in economics broadly speaking).

Russian communism may have achieved something like a conservative stasis for a while, but I'd say Putin today is one of the strongest exemplars of what MM might laud as proper right-wing governance (and he seems to be fairly popular in Russia as well). Eastern europe does need to pick up its population growth rate though.

For those wondering about "Dark Suits and Red Guards", I may be digesting it and placing it online in the near future.

November 19, 2010 at 10:35 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What's "fucking idiotic" is your interpretation of that comment.

Because nothing says "I'm a genius" like accusing people on the internet of being a dirty Jew!

Actually most of it has been high quality.

That opinion merely confirms your low intelligence.

November 20, 2010 at 4:01 AM  
Anonymous RS said...

> Eastern europe does need to pick up its population growth rate though.

That's exactly why I admire Mr Putin. Rather than importing more foreigners, he set forth major money incentives for having kids. That policy has also been explored even by some of the benighted Western Europeans, but I don't think it worked very well... which to me says that they should just raise the bid. Putin's policy has had appreciable impact on the numbers.

November 20, 2010 at 7:07 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Because nothing says "I'm a genius" like accusing people on the internet of being a dirty Jew!

Read that comment again. You weren't accused of being a Jew.

That opinion merely confirms your low intelligence.

Actually this reveals how dumb, dull, and intellectually incurious you are. His comments are worlds better than the fawning sycophancy and idiotic contributions from people like you that comprise the majority of comments here.

November 20, 2010 at 10:26 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Actually, the majority of the comments on this blog are neither sycophantic nor even pertinent.

THey're just variants on:

Poster "I see a jooo!"

Other Poster: "NO you don't!"

Poster: "Yes I do! Joo! Joo!"

Other Poster: "OMG, it's not a Joo and even if it was, WTF!"

Third Poster: "It is a Joo and if you say otherwise you're an idiot"

and some nitpick by the otherwise intelligent TGGP that never leads anywhere because it's not as big a flaw as he thinks it is.

Then back to "Joo! Joo!" "No, anti-semite!" "You're an idiot, you don't see it's Joos!"

November 20, 2010 at 6:30 PM  
Anonymous jkr said...

UR has one of the only interesting comments sections of all blogs. It's very rare for a blog to be both extremely politically incorrect, and also extremely high brow and intellectual. He probably keeps it going despite occasional discussions about Jewish issues, which he probably doesn't like very much. Not because they're illegit, but because they tend to attract the stormfront crowd. UR is too interesting, too hip, and too pro jewish to attract this crowd, so there's nothing to fear. Fear not the jewish question. It's a shame that half the comments on this thread are consumed by this when my comment had nothing to do with Jews.

November 20, 2010 at 8:02 PM  
Anonymous jkr said...

The topic of this post is the cog dis experienced by some naive apolitical individuals when someone like BO embraces the power of the nat'l sec state once in power, even when his campaign success, rhetoric, and supporters largely pretended to be against abuses of civil liberties, the patriot act, etc.

I remember thinking, during the Bush admin, why don't conservatives oppose all this extension of the power of govt and elimination of protections of civil liberties. Don't they realize the next admin would be able to use same powers against them? Well, of course REAL conservatives understood this and opposed the power grabs of the Bush admin, understanding that the Bush admin just one wing of the State party, and the State party supported increased state power.

The question Is Obama a Socialist? is he really even a leftist? is interesting. It brings into focus the problem with the designations left and right that we're so fond of using.

The true left in America believes both parties are right wing enemies of the people. The true right sees both parties of the establishment as left wing enemies. How is this situation understandable?

By discarding the application of left/right to our political landscape. We don't have consistent definition and application of these terms. They don't even apply once you enter a multicultural setting. Identity politics triumphs in a setting that is not homogeneous. What possible meaning could left/right have for minorities in a majority setting?

The distinction is also meaningless in a setting without a long established tradition of Hierachy, the defenders of which would be Right and the opponents of which would be Left (vox populi, the people, plebiscite). This has no application in American history.

In the American political landscape, there is the Establishment vs. its opponents. Both the establishment and its opponents are heterogeneous. Both change over time. The system is fluid. The ethnic makeup of the country changes. The industries and concentrations of wealth have changed markedly over time. The means of influence (media, academic, wealth, regional...) have been fluid and changing over time.

We need to learn to talk about things without recourse to left/right designations.

November 20, 2010 at 8:40 PM  
Anonymous jkr said...

over at Alt Right, various contributors have published their own essential reading lists or conservative Canons.

considering that UR is largely one giant Mencian Canon interspersed with lengthy commentary, i thought this might be of interest to UR readers. UR readers might want to add their own short list of essentials or contribute in the alt right comments as well.

Richard Spencer's

http://www.alternativeright.com/main/blogs/untimely-observations/canon-wars/

Keith Preston's of Attack the System blog

http://www.alternativeright.com/main/blogs/untimely-observations/a-canon-of-my-own/

James Kalb's

http://www.alternativeright.com/main/blogs/left-right/canonical-questions/

November 20, 2010 at 9:14 PM  
Anonymous jkr said...

i was reading The Iron Heel the other day for some diversion. Maybe someone can tell me if Jack London was left or right. If these designations are relevant and meaningful to today's political world, someone fit London into it.

November 20, 2010 at 9:27 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

TGGP that Black Suits and Red Guards link is fascinating. I'm looking forward to you putting it up online.

November 21, 2010 at 12:55 AM  
Anonymous jkr said...

Is AQAP real?

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/04/world/middleeast/04yemen.html?_r=1

November 21, 2010 at 9:02 PM  
Blogger TGGP said...

Kenneth Anderson has reposted some of his New Lefty writings on the successful counter-insurgency in Guatamala. A surprising bit from his post is the preference for Castro among military officers who felt betrayed by America.

The paywall blocked reading beyond the lede, but Yemen has been fighting civil wars or fights not quite rising to that level for a long time (Bin Laden actually accused the Saudi monarchy of being pro-communist due to some of their moves down there). AQ has become something like a Bloods/Crips type "franchise" in which local bands simply declare affiliation.

jkr, Jack London identified as a socialist (though too radical for the Socialist Party) and the Iron Heel is a demented socialist tract. He was also a white supremacist though. In middle school I chose to do a book review of one of his short story collections, having previously just known adaptations of White Fang/Call of the Wild. It was really relentlessly depressing stuff. Ilya Somin argued about how to categorize him relative to political trends at the time here.

November 21, 2010 at 9:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5D-1WO8KkIA&feature=player_embedded

November 22, 2010 at 4:45 AM  
Anonymous jkr said...

who could resist the mystery youtube link.

zanon take note. those are the 'sovereigns' you talk about when you talk about 'monetary sovereignty.'

November 22, 2010 at 1:39 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4AvXX-oMT8&feature=player_embedded

November 22, 2010 at 3:50 PM  
Anonymous Steve Johnson said...

TGGP -

"AQ has become something like a Bloods/Crips type "franchise" in which local bands simply declare affiliation."

What else could it possibly be?

Is there an AQ military academy? An official AQ hierarchy and chain of command?

To ask is to answer. If there were, it would be a state. If it were a state it could be defeated.

Instead, anyone can claim to be AQ. By doing so you get indirect State Department protection for as long as you serve State Department needs (attacking the Pentagon). AQ and the Taliban will always survive simply because the State Department is going to great lengths to make it clear that the eventual policy of the United States government is to surrender to AQ or the Taliban and it doesn't matter if that group can be traced back to the "original" / "authentic" AQ or Taliban.

November 24, 2010 at 2:15 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

that said, how can we be sure that the whole system will go to hell? resembles marx in one aspect -- awfull resemblance. marx as when marx asked for more capitalism. and the system prevailed.

(i'm not aware that muldbug has a telelogical theory about how we're going to end up in one way or another in his undemocratic state. so it is one aspect, i think)

guys, if i may use marxist terminology, moldbug should be thinking more about praxis -- or more ways to make the system go away -- than asking his readers to vote democrat.

November 24, 2010 at 8:46 AM  
Anonymous jkr said...

Americans are led to believe by and large that Osama bin Laden is in command of AQ, that it is a regimented network of trained terrorists with a military command structure. AQ personalities are referred to as his lieutenants and subordinates.

I would have to consult a truly objective expert on the history of AQ to be able to disentangle all the groups which are referred to or refer to themselves as AQ. I'm unaware of any genuine OBL footage since around the time of 9/11. The last he was heard from was denying involvement in 9/11, followed by an obviously fake confession tape "discovered" by US forces in Afghanistan. It is largely regarded as fake by credible standards.

What is the extent of intelligence agency infiltration of groups calling themselves AQ?

I'm not an expert here, but skepticism is healthy.

Just look at the details of x-mas bomber. Didn't have a passport, didn't have enough explosives to do harm, was reported by his own father to US embassy a year before boarding flight in Amsterdam, somehow got through security, etc. etc.

What do any of these indie AQ groups have to do with the ISI-CIA affiliated original anti-Soviet AQ? Anything?

AQ is like a ephemeral ghost which is never there, but always there when US needs it for propaganda purposes.

I admit I'm not an expert. Are there any legit experts in this area who aren't neocon trash? I'd be interested to read them.

November 24, 2010 at 1:52 PM  
Anonymous jkr said...

Happy thanksgiving to the excellent UR community. Thanks to MM for providing the best single-author blogging on the web.

November 24, 2010 at 5:33 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

...the State Department is going to great lengths to make it clear that the eventual policy of the United States government is to surrender to AQ or the Taliban ...

I hope you realize that this is completely fucking insane. I really wonder how it is that someone comes to believe something this stupid.

November 24, 2010 at 8:24 PM  
Blogger TGGP said...

"It is largely regarded as fake by credible standards"
Could you cite a credible source on that? I myself think it plausible that he's been dead for some time.

"What do any of these indie AQ groups have to do with the ISI-CIA affiliated original anti-Soviet AQ?"
People often assert there was a connection between them and MAK, but Zawahairi's "Knights Under the Prophet's Banner" denies this (cue "He would say that, wouldn't he"). There just weren't that many foreign fighters, "Afghan Arabs", who if anything were often regarded as a nuisance. CIA-ISI funding wasn't for foreigners, which at least makes perfect sense for Pakistan as their long-standing policy has been to push the Pashtuns toward Islamicism and away from any nationalism/separatism and having long-standing Pashtun clients helps them with that. On the other hand, Saudi Arabia promised to match any U.S funding for mujahideen and some of that might more plausibly gone to OBL. On the third hand, bin Laden is independently wealthy and could have operated a small group fairly autonomously.

Steve Johnson:
Could you give some examples of how the State Department has treated groups differently based on their claiming al Qaeda affiliation.

November 25, 2010 at 12:31 PM  
Anonymous jkr said...

Top Bin Laden Expert: Confession Fake

“It’s bogus,” says Professor Bruce Lawrence, head of Duke University’s Religious Studies program.

Lawrence, author of Messages to the World: The Statements of Osama Bin Laden, offered his historic debunking of the administration’s lie in an interview with Kevin Barrett (“Dynamic Duo,” gcnlive.com, 2/16/2007, first hour). The interview marked Lawrence’s first major public statement since he made headlines last year by suggesting that recent Osama tapes are hoaxes and that the real Osama Bin Laden may be dead.

...Lawrence, citing informants in the US intelligence apparatus’s Bin Laden units, said that everyone knows the tape is fake...

http://www.infowars.net/articles/february2007/190207Osama_tape.htm

This has been well known since the video was released.

I expect better from you TGGP.

November 25, 2010 at 7:07 PM  
Anonymous jkr said...

Who Is Osama Bin Laden?
by Michel Chossudovsky

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO109C.html

Interesting.

November 25, 2010 at 7:26 PM  
Anonymous jkr said...

Did Osama bin Laden Confess to the 9/11 Attacks, and Did He Die, in 2001?

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=18923

November 25, 2010 at 7:52 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/spy-talk/2010/05/cia_group_had_wacky_ideas_to_d.html

"The agency actually did make a video purporting to show Osama bin Laden and his cronies sitting around a campfire swigging bottles of liquor and savoring their conquests with boys, one of the former CIA officers recalled, chuckling at the memory. The actors were drawn from “some of us darker-skinned employees,” he said."

November 25, 2010 at 9:30 PM  
Blogger TGGP said...

Infowars and globalresearch are not exactly credible sources, nor do I take seriously claims about anonymous informants. I will look more into Bruce Lawrence.

November 26, 2010 at 12:21 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

For those wondering, Wikileaks is about to leak the State Department cables. If Moldbug's theory runs true (the foggy bottom versus pentagon memeplexes), we should see some evidence in the cables.

November 26, 2010 at 6:58 AM  
Anonymous jkr said...

TGGP,

i would have linked to the ny times or wapo coverage of mr. lawrence, but they're too credible to cover stuff the govt doesn't like. they were way too credible about iraq's wmds too.

November 26, 2010 at 7:08 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If Moldbug's theory runs true (the foggy bottom versus pentagon memeplexes), we should see some evidence in the cables.

This isn't "Moldbug's theory." People have know about this for a long time. The diplomat vs. military divide is universal and has been around forever.

November 26, 2010 at 1:31 PM  
Anonymous jkr said...

Judge Napolitano joins fellow Geraldo Rivera in expressing doubts about official version of 9-11.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/201011240019

Looks like the dam is beginning to break in response to the BuildingWhat? campaign.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHIj9wzbYGQ

November 26, 2010 at 2:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Looks like America has Jews and Italians to thank for:

# Jazz music
# Las Vegas
# Hollywood
# Racial mixing
# "Gay liberation"

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig11/russell-t2.1.1.html

By contrast, the WASP "[Thomas] Edison and "The Trust" pledged to make only movies that promoted wholesome, Christian, and "American" values. But on the Lower East Side, a group of entrepreneurial Jewish immigrants used Edison's inventions to produce and screen their own films"

"The great inventor [Edison] was furious that "Jewish profiteers" were stealing his patent, getting rich from it, and using it to spread "smut" across America."

"Moral condemnations and court injunctions didn't stop the proliferation of nickelodeons that showed unseemly fare and violated Edison's patent, so the inventor and his colleagues hired squads of thugs to shut them down....But fortunately for the Jewish renegades, they lived and operated in neighborhoods where hundreds of soldiers stood ready and able to protect them"

"Cameras, projectors, film, and sound equipment disappeared from the storerooms of Edison companies and showed up on makeshift movie lots on the Lower East Side....massive fires destroyed the Edison distributors' warehouses in the Bronx, Philadelphia, and Chicago."

November 26, 2010 at 3:19 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Geraldo Riviera, Glenn Beck's sidekick Napolitano, and Alex Jones? That's some high-class support for your theory, for sure.

November 26, 2010 at 4:21 PM  
Anonymous jkr said...

i dont have a theory, dipshit.

1300 architects and engineers call BS on wtc 7 collapsing from fires. deal with it.

November 26, 2010 at 4:51 PM  
Anonymous Peter A. Taylor said...

Neo-reactionary alert! Peter Robinson at "Uncommon Knowledge" interviews Liechtenstein's Prince Hans-Adam II on his recent book, "The State in the Third Millenium."



http://tv.nationalreview.com/uncommonknowledge/



Ch. 1: Prince Hans-Adam II of Liechtenstein explains his idea that all states must be transformed into "peaceful service companies."



Ch. 2: Prince Hans-Adam II discusses the state of the welfare state.



Ch. 3: How did Liechtenstein attain the highest per capita GDP on the planet? Prince Hans-Adam II explains.



Ch. 4: Prince Hans-Adam II of Liechtenstein comments on China, where robust economic growth exists in the absence of political freedom.



Ch. 5: Prince Hans-Adam II describes what he considers to be the "weak points" of the American democratic system.


Have you ever seen Mencius and Hans-Adam II together? Have you ever seen Mencius and Sarah Palin together?

November 26, 2010 at 6:14 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jesus Christ the comments section here has degraded.

Also, to the morbidly obese neckbeards that are coming here from the various anti-goon/somethingawful sites and spamming joojooooos crap: Fuck off back to your internet sewers.

November 26, 2010 at 7:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

GM Palmer, I never had a high opinion of you, but I never thought I'd see you defending the Jew-obsessed troglodytes.

November 26, 2010 at 11:21 PM  
Anonymous Easily Swayed said...

I don't want them touching my junk...but for national security...well...

November 27, 2010 at 4:38 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ironic rightie-sphere nicknames for Obama such as "The One" or "Lightworker" have reached their point of expiration. They worked for as long as he inspired Leftists, and he no longer does.

November 28, 2010 at 7:08 AM  
Anonymous A former Lutheran-Jacobin said...

Mr.Moldbug, We both like Thomas Carlye's writing, and both of us are stuck in the Victorian-Edwardian era. But in otherways despite our similar interpretation of history we are on opposite sides Mr.Moldbug. I like you see the direct line from Luther-Calvin-Cromwell-Voltaire-Robespierre-Lenin. And thats why I loved Thomas Carlyle because he made all of them heroes. And so yes I could have went some liberal "calvinist" but as you would say de facto unitarian-universalist church like the UCC or Episc or Presby. But as you yourself pointed out the true end of Lutheranism is Jacobinism and Bolshevism. Thus for me my little Puritan church and democratic town meeting was to be found in Bolshevism. I was so caught up in the beauty of left-modernism as defined by Luther-Marx-Kropotkin-Lysenko-Lenin that I was entirely blind to the danger of right-materialism represented by Sade-Darwin-Nietzsche-Ayn Rand- Roissy in Dc. I think we can say decisively with the Fukuyamaist end of history that Right-Hedonism has triumphed over Left-Utopianism in the war over the corpse of God. It is quite humorous to me that people like Pinker and Roissy and Dc want to blame the current debauchery on the left, when it is their right-hedonism that has triumphed. Nietzsche and Sade are pretty scary dudes as realized in their disciple Roissy in Dc. They are Kant's radical evil for the sake of evil. The Enlightenment could not comprehend the idea of evil out of sadism outside of self-interest. Even the hard-nosed Hobbes could not see it. Only the Augustinians and the Darwino-Nietzcheans can see the sheer bliss of fansadox comics. And so I have seen the necessity of rejecting Luther and all that comes after him.. for it ended not in the utopia of the Left, but the Sodom of Roissy in Dc. Thus we need to embrace the Roman Catholic church and the restoration of feudalism and medivalism. The Leftist Utopia can not hold and the Roissyist Sodom is hell on earth, and will only get crueler!

November 28, 2010 at 3:34 PM  
Blogger TGGP said...

Neocon journalist says wikileaks vindicates neocon view of Iran, also discredits view of mid-level State bureaucrats as swishes.

November 29, 2010 at 7:03 PM  
Anonymous RS said...

From HaAretz, a particularly bald case of a faction using franchise expansion to pursue power:

Yishai, who fought tooth and nail against migrants who he said bring in a "profusion of diseases," is prepared to allow the immigration of 8,000 Falashmura because they undergo conversion to Judaism at institutions affiliated with his Shas party, and the young people among the group will be sent to Shas schools.

The Falashmura, or anyway these ones, are ethnic Ethiopians, historically Jewish, who have been Christian in recent times.

November 29, 2010 at 10:45 PM  
Blogger Mark Tully said...

A former Lutheran-Jacobin,

I see your point, but I've never understood how there was much of a difference between Marxism's materialsm and the materialism of "the right"...

1. Both say that economic, material conditions determine history.

2. Both say that conflicts arise between disagreements over economic systems.

3. Both have a brand of "progress" to go along with their beliefs - the Marxists think we'll progress to some socialist utopia while the capitalists think we'll progress to an abundant future.

November 30, 2010 at 8:29 AM  
Anonymous jkr said...

tggp,

i didnt view your link, i would merely point out that the salient question is who is influencing washington, not whether other 3rd parties privately agree. no critic of the israel-lobby's influence ever denied that other enmities exist in the region. the question of why there is pressure on the usa to involve itself in those enmities and conflicts of interest is what is important.

some articles/blogs have speculated that the source of at least some of these documents is within foreign intelligence agencies and not just individual whistle blowers.

i'm also heartened by the news that wikileaks plans to release scandalous info on one of the big banks. karl denninger speculates this curiously coincides with calls to treat wikileaks as terrorist org.

November 30, 2010 at 2:27 PM  
Blogger G. M. Palmer said...

@november anon,

That post wasn't by me.

If you look at the hyperlinked name you'll notice no blogger icon beside it.

I find it odd that I'm so polarizing.

December 1, 2010 at 8:35 PM  
Blogger G. M. Palmer said...

@former lutheran--

a return to feudalism--isn't that mm's point?

December 1, 2010 at 8:36 PM  
Blogger TGGP said...

Liberal diplomatic-type weenies say Wikileaks demolishes view of diplomats not being awesome.

December 1, 2010 at 9:41 PM  
Anonymous jkr said...

Why I Am A Monarchist by John Médaille

http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2010/12/why-i-am-a-monarchist/

December 2, 2010 at 7:08 PM  
Anonymous jkr said...

Austrian MP Ewald Stadler gives the Austrian Parliament and the Turkish ambassador a piece of his mind. I almost expected him to end his speech with "F*ck off!" -Mangan's blog

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRmgI_WXff0&feature=player_embedded

December 3, 2010 at 3:28 PM  
Anonymous jkr said...

cnn reports over 1 million names on TSA terrorist 'watch list'

including cnn reporter drew griffin shortly after a series of reports critical of TSA.

wtf. i would love to know who these million terrororists are and how hey were determined.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qr5EsCoz5s&feature=player_embedded

December 3, 2010 at 5:33 PM  
Anonymous jkr said...

Chase orders Southlake bank to remove Christmas tree

http://www.star-telegram.com/2010/12/02/2676274/jpmorgan-chase-orders-southlake.html

gosh, i wonder who was offended.

December 3, 2010 at 5:41 PM  
Blogger Mitchell said...

There's a good chance that the next UR post will be about Wikileaks. That is, it will offer a neoreactionary, antidemocratic interpretation of the Wikileaks phenomenon. So, can those of us who have been reading this blog for years figure out in advance what gloss Mencius is likely to provide? Will he be pro-Wikileaks, anti-Wikileaks? Will he say it's epiphenomenal, or that it's just a symptom of the democratic system's own inconsistencies and lack of internal discipline? Perhaps he'll contrast it with his own proposed project, Revipedia.

December 4, 2010 at 2:04 AM  
Blogger alexi de sadesky said...

Mitchell,
I hope MM posts something on it. I know he didn't think that Wikileaks would ever release the 250,000 cables and said something along the lines of how he'd like to sick a team of ass raping bikers on Assange because he'd never release them. Well, they're being released so I suspect Wikileaks has some street cred with Moldbug now. Maybe not though.

December 4, 2010 at 2:41 AM  
Blogger Vladimir said...

So, can those of us who have been reading this blog for years figure out in advance what gloss Mencius is likely to provide?

Very, very interesting question. I think the Cathedral's interpretation of Wikileaks is the interesting bit.

Question. Who has the files, and who is writing about them? Answer. The New York Times, the UK's Guardian, the BBC. These organizations will tell the majority of people what to think about Wikileaks and USG. Very few will look elsewhere.

And the Cathedral inevitably interpret the files as revealing that America is too rightwing, and it is failing in its post-WW2 role as the source of worldwide progressive enlightenment. Clearly, it is still dominated by the fascist neocons. So, the pressure is on USG to become more progressive.

In other words, it's business as usual.

We already know about the bad behavior of USG. We already know about extraordinary rendition and war crimes and bank bailouts and corrupt politicians. We know about all of this because we read about it in the New York Times and saw it in movies. The Cathedral has always believed that USG is insufficiently progressive, and it endlessly searches for propaganda to demonstrate that hypothesis.

Anyway, regardless of what the files actually say, Wikileaks fits perfectly into the existing narrative.

December 4, 2010 at 4:50 AM  
Anonymous josh said...

Interestingly, NYTimes is angry about someone impinging on their exclusive right-to-leak legal status. Calling for heads to roll.

December 4, 2010 at 5:18 AM  
Anonymous gr said...

pers

December 4, 2010 at 8:51 AM  
Anonymous The Undiscovered Jew said...

So, can those of us who have been reading this blog for years figure out in advance what gloss Mencius is likely to provide?

We will know for sure what Mencius thinks about Wikileaks when/if he issues an official telegram.

But from what I know of the Moldbergian interpretation of US foreign policy we may divine two things from the fact Assange has not - at an absolute minimum been arrested if not assassinated - by Anglo-Protestant authorities:

1) The House Built by FDR - in it's current, dilapidated, "Andropov-Chernenko interregnum waiting for the Gorbachev era" of development - no longer has intelligence agencies remotely capable of engaging in good, old fashioned espionage.

If some internet poseur had released classified info about the diplomatic activities of any remotely competent government agency (a la Putin's Russia, Lee Kwan Yew's Singapore, or even the early Cold War era FDR intelligence complexes led by ball busters such as John Foster Dulles) Assange would have been taken by black helicopter to an underground CIA base in Antarctica.

Instead, the government has demonstrated it is incapable of even extraditing a mere blogger who resides in a First World satellite state, and, by extension, that USG can no longer pull off one the most fundamental activities of state survival - keeping your intelligence secrets secret.

December 4, 2010 at 9:24 AM  
Anonymous The Undiscovered Jew said...

continued,

Now, we are at this point all used to government incompetence. But, while governments are mostly incompetent at helping their own citizens, normally they can be counted on to go out of their way to defend their own authority from both foreign and domestic opponents.

For instance, Kim Jong Il may be lacking when it comes to providing GDP growth to the people of North Korea, but Kim's patchwork is exceptional at eliminating all those who oppose his state and his intelligence agents.

USG, in contrast, can no longer even issue arrest warrants to save itself. Dulles is dead and he has been replaced with a poor substitute in Janet Napolitano.

And really, USG has been basically this impotent upholding it's own authority for sometime. The last time America pulled off a really nifty coup was when Nixon and Kissinger helped Pinochet deep six Allende. Since then, USG's most ruthless repression of domestic oppenents was Janet Reno's glorious annihilation of the Branch Davidians.

Oh, how FDR would weep if he could see his kingdom now.

2) There is no such thing as a covert Skull & Bones-Zionist-Illuminati (or even Papal) cabal running America.

The white nationalist/kevin macdonaldoid/buchanite/Paleocon/alternative right's amusing tweets about Jewish domination nothwithstanding, the Feds are simply too obviously incompetent at this stage for such a theory to be plausible.

Indeed, we should wish the Elders of Zion were running America rather than Janet Napolitano. The Elders would at least balance the budgets and impose a Pro-Israel (rather than the current pro-Palestinian) foreign policy.

They might even be able to arrest Julian Assange.

December 4, 2010 at 9:25 AM  
Anonymous jkr said...

lol @ TUJ's "Anglo-Protestant authorities."

December 4, 2010 at 9:31 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Anglo-Protestant authorities have figured out a way to shrink themselves and insert themselves into the cavernous schnozzes of the Jews. All those Jewish authorities are actually being controlled by tiny Anglo-Protestant authorities embedded in the recesses of their nostrils.

December 4, 2010 at 3:02 PM  
Blogger TGGP said...

Mencius on Assange here.

Assange on ClimateGate here.

December 4, 2010 at 3:40 PM  
Anonymous The Undiscovered Jew said...

"Blogger TGGP said...

Mencius on Assange here."

Thnx fo da link ma nigga.

It seems that MM - after I kicked him in the balls - has taken my advice to view Anglo-Protestant progressivism as part of a broader Northern European Protestant body rather than a uniquely Anglo-Saxon phenomena. I'm sure his indictment of Martin Luther (the German not the nigga) will be an exquisite display of historical revisionism.

He also appears to be reading up on how the Pre-Napoleon and pre-ethnic nationalist European royalism dating from Westphalia to the downfall of Prince Metternich in the revolution of 1848 was a very different animal from Bismarckian royalism and incomparably superior to the populist Fascism that followed the world of Metternich and Castlereagh.

It is good that he's listening to me - two Mischling brains are even more powerful than one, though I'm probably somewhere around 30-40 (maybe more) IQ points behind Moldberg.

Now, if only that sneaky mother fucker would come down from his Olympian perch at Abu Muqawawawa and into UR's filthy comments section and talk to HIS own commenters...:

Comment by Mencius Moldbug on July 26, 2010 - 11:03pm

Everything civilized south of the Rio Grande predates Napoleon. Since the end of colonialism (and Catholicism), it's gone straight to hell in a handbasket. Mexico City had the first university in the Americas. Even in the reactionary Porfiriato, not to mention Maximilian, it wasn't looking too bad. Now? It's strictly Amores Perros. And getting worse.

No offense, but it sounds like you're a bigoted Protestant and a big fan of the Black Legend. There's not a Catholic bone in my body, but I know enough to be fair-minded. As Peter Viereck once observed, anti-Catholicism is the anti-Semitism of the intellectual. It's never too late to outgrow your prejudices.

December 4, 2010 at 5:15 PM  
Anonymous The Undiscovered Jew said...

"Blogger TGGP said...

Mencius on Assange here."

Thnx fo da link ma nigga.

It seems that MM - after I kicked him in the balls - has taken my advice to view Anglo-Protestant progressivism as part of a broader Northern European Protestant body rather than a uniquely Anglo-Saxon phenomena. I'm sure his indictment of Martin Luther (the German not the nigga) will be an exquisite display of historical revisionism.

He also appears to be reading up on how the Pre-Napoleon and pre-ethnic nationalist European royalism dating from Westphalia to the downfall of Prince Metternich in the revolution of 1848 was a very different animal from Bismarckian royalism and incomparably superior to the populist Fascism that followed the world of Metternich and Castlereagh.

It is good that he's listening to me - two Mischling brains are even more powerful than one, though I'm probably somewhere around 30-40 (maybe more) IQ points behind Moldberg.

Now, if only that sneaky mother fucker would come down from his Olympian perch at Abu Muqawawawa and into UR's filthy comments section and talk to HIS own commenters...:

Comment by Mencius Moldbug on July 26, 2010 - 11:03pm

Everything civilized south of the Rio Grande predates Napoleon. Since the end of colonialism (and Catholicism), it's gone straight to hell in a handbasket. Mexico City had the first university in the Americas. Even in the reactionary Porfiriato, not to mention Maximilian, it wasn't looking too bad. Now? It's strictly Amores Perros. And getting worse.

No offense, but it sounds like you're a bigoted Protestant and a big fan of the Black Legend. There's not a Catholic bone in my body, but I know enough to be fair-minded. As Peter Viereck once observed, anti-Catholicism is the anti-Semitism of the intellectual. It's never too late to outgrow your prejudices.

December 4, 2010 at 5:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

incomparably superior to the populist Fascism that followed the world of Metternich and Castlereagh.

You're comparing 200 years to 12 years, 6 of them of in intense war. Not really a valid comparison.

December 4, 2010 at 5:18 PM  
Blogger Mitchell said...

I've just discovered that MM is about two degrees of separation away from Wikileaks, by way of the I.T. world. But then who isn't?

December 4, 2010 at 8:59 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That's because Moldbug is an ex-hacker (or probably still one). Pretty sure he was once a member of the Cult of the Dead Cow.

RE: Wikileaks. TGGP posted the comment I was going to refer to from Abu Muqawama. Moldbug is probably anti-Wikileaks.

My bet is that the post will take some form of how Wikileaks is only getting international pressure now because of the state cables. Look at how wikileaks was treated pre-cables, and only by military leaks. It was typical "aw shucks," dealwithit response.

Military leaks = good.

Leaks from our Foggy Bottom overlords = bad.

Also, anyone else notice that Moldbug's writing is nearly exactly the same as Maistre and Schmitt's ontological view of the left?

December 4, 2010 at 9:27 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Also, I'd like to add more about the moldbug-wikileaks connection.

Less Moldbug/cDc, and more about Assange's pre-wikileaks life as a hacker.

Did you know Assange used to run one of the first ISPs in Australia?

Did you also know that he used to run a data mining operation, harvesting personal info from his customers that had connections with the government?

The more you know.

December 4, 2010 at 9:34 PM  
Anonymous Oceansoflemonade said...

The Undiscovered Jew said:


"The last time America pulled off a really nifty coup was when Nixon and Kissinger helped Pinochet deep six Allende. Since then, USG's most ruthless repression of domestic oppenents was Janet Reno's glorious annihilation of the Branch Davidians. "


Actually, there are a good number of Chilean businessmen who will swear up and down that Nixon's interference was but a contemptuous flicking of a handful of dirt from a deep grave long prior excavated.

December 5, 2010 at 5:55 AM  
Blogger B Lode said...

Moldbug is probably anti-Wikileaks.

Moldbug seems to be anti-leaks, fullstop. Government leaks are the villain in a lot of his worldview; insider trading is another big villain.

My guess is that now that the leaks are hitting the Cathedral and not just the military, there's a little bit of "just desserts" satisfaction on his part, but beyond that I bet he thinks the fewer leaks, the better.

Not that we'll ever know....

As to him being a hacker ... I'm sure he knows a bunch. He has a rare combination of excellent small-group charisma, funny, unpretentious, never bombastic. He can probably assess cognitive ability extremely well, which is how he made a fortune in dot-coms in the 1990s. I don't think he would need to do any hacking himself any more than he would need to run a hedge fund.

December 5, 2010 at 10:00 AM  
Blogger TGGP said...

Nixon had tried to prevent Allende from taking power and made some initial efforts towards a coup, but dropped the idea when it didn't seem to be working (though they maintained a hostile stance and hoped to undermine Allende). Nixon being Nixon, we have recordings of some of his conversations on the matter.

December 5, 2010 at 11:10 PM  
Anonymous The Undiscovered Jew said...

Oceansoflemonade & TGGP,

It's true Nixon's backing of Pinochet was less than optimal, but that doesn't change my overall point that Wikileaks proves USG's current intelligence agencies are no longer competent enough to even give minor support to a pro-American puppet leader.

December 6, 2010 at 5:01 PM  
Blogger Aaron Davies said...

assange was also involved in rubberhose (a prototype for what's now truecrypt)

December 6, 2010 at 9:06 PM  
Anonymous Oceansoflemonade said...

Perhaps I should have used more straightforward verbiage, but at UR that just seems wrong.

What I meant was that Nixon's attempts at undermining the Chilean economy under Allende are considered, at least by a substantial number of Chileans, to have been unimportant in the collapse of the Allende regime. In their view of things, Allende was wrecking the country and his base of support quite well enough on his own. The incompetence of which you speak could go back much further.

December 6, 2010 at 9:07 PM  

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